tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post7530809025242199161..comments2023-07-10T14:18:09.980+01:00Comments on Extension Blog: The Pre-ClippathonJo http://www.blogger.com/profile/05480195769830116100noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-44663289946817361882017-12-09T15:54:43.075+00:002017-12-09T15:54:43.075+00:00An afterthought. I have read and re-read the com...An afterthought. I have read and re-read the comments here, and there are clearly (and unsurprisingly,) strong feelings.<br /><br />However, this is a vast subject and I can see this thread running on forever. <br /><br />I have a feeling the blog administrator might soon step in to stop it. . .<br /><br />Peter WrightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-80961323452081458022017-12-09T15:32:49.156+00:002017-12-09T15:32:49.156+00:00Actually, I should amend my previous comment, beca...Actually, I should amend my previous comment, because it’s the railway wagon that adds to the beauty of the art of the piece.<br />The whole thing should be auctioned as art!... (minus the bogies ) ... it’s part of modern (70s-2000) railway heritage to have spray can art on wagons. MickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-22917652535943250372017-12-09T15:28:05.573+00:002017-12-09T15:28:05.573+00:00Tell that to banksie.. he’s laughing all the way t...Tell that to banksie.. he’s laughing all the way to the bank. <br />The guv van looks cool in my opinion, the work is art, perhaps the panel should be cut out and the art auctioned and the money put back into the railway...�� mick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-31418250746183801802017-12-09T14:19:19.375+00:002017-12-09T14:19:19.375+00:00The city of Paris simply does not tolerate spray c...The city of Paris simply does not tolerate spray can "art" or graffiti in its city centre. In fact, the municipality employs a dedicated squad to clean away such vandalism as soon as it finds it and wherever it finds it, e.g. on the stone embankments alongside the River Seine.<br /><br />Would that other European cities had the same system. ( Perhaps they have, but I can only say they seem less efficient in cleaning up the mess made by spray can "artists".) I know modern Singapore comes down hard on vandalism when it catches the culprits. Other cities may do the same. I don't know. But then if you're not careful, you run the risk of authoritarianism taking over people's lives. In a modern liberal society law enforcement can only go so far. <br /><br />As to vandalised trains, the worst I have seen (as I have mentioned elsewhere) were on the New York subway some years ago.<br /><br />The urge to deface public buildings and private property seems to be a plague which is spreading. <br /><br />Even in the comparatively sedate Isle of Wight, the IoW Steam Railway has to lock up its fine old preserved carriages (some of which are now very old,) to protect them not only from the weather, but also from the attention of local "chavs".<br /><br />Graffiti in the streets is as old as the Roman Empire, and even older. It was even practised by the ancient Greeks, although in ancient times they at least didn't have cans of spray paint.<br /><br />I really don't know the answer to this world wide problem.<br /><br />Peter Wright Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-33859419199046220972017-12-09T13:08:52.867+00:002017-12-09T13:08:52.867+00:00It's not justifiable under any circumstances a...It's not justifiable under any circumstances and I don't see why these people need a 'voice' particularly as most of that stuff doesn't actually sends any messages, other than the fact that they must have too much disposable income - a can of spray paint is nearly a tenner these days! Maybe they just steal them? A couple of years ago some individual(s) covered the whole of one side of a stabled 3-car DMU at Banbury with silver paint before getting to work with the actual 'artistic' stuff. Lord knows what that must have cost, both to the so-called 'artist' for the paint and for Chiltern Railways to remove it! Aardvark11https://www.blogger.com/profile/13090938730424120909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-14576165507464392312017-12-09T11:00:38.869+00:002017-12-09T11:00:38.869+00:00The Berlin wall chaps was/ is covered in it. Perha...The Berlin wall chaps was/ is covered in it. Perhaps street art and its cry for attention is justifiable for those without a voice.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315508715407137780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-31314886962312575212017-12-09T10:12:02.412+00:002017-12-09T10:12:02.412+00:00I always thought that Graffiti-'artists' (...I always thought that Graffiti-'artists' (who are in the same artistic category as p!ss-artists) were a sub-species of humanity who proved that nature doesn't always abhor a vacuum. Their tagging & spraying is a cry for some sort of recognition, which they, being nobodies of the first rank, would never otherwise get.Tony Kerrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06355620799053253046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-8023107229614867562017-12-09T08:07:06.577+00:002017-12-09T08:07:06.577+00:00Graffiti is not only obnoxious, but reflects the p...Graffiti is not only obnoxious, but reflects the parlous state of moral decline in a country/nation.<br />Defacing someone else's property is never acceptable, however 'artistic' it's deemed to be.<br />Just the costs and labour involved in removing such mindless scrawl is horrendous.<br />Just about every railway system on the earth is subject to this plague with the exception of Japan - except in the major conurbations like Tokyo, Yokahama etc, and even there, you not find trains plastered , only lineside bridges, and some cabinets.<br />The Japanese will not tolerate defacing of trains, and perpetrators, when caught, receive some very punitive attention ! <br />The 'liberal' west is falling apart under it's own lack of respect and moral discipline, sad but true.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13987806667386735101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-1997331268312523272017-12-09T00:04:53.164+00:002017-12-09T00:04:53.164+00:00Yes, I agree, but graffiti art and spray can art...Yes, I agree, but graffiti art and spray can art (a very dangerous procedure indeed), applied to rapid transit systems around the world, is a rather different thing. Books have been written on the subject. Much of which comes down to the question : what is art ??<br /><br />As an art historian, I can only say, I don't know, yet.<br /><br />But vandalism, like barbarism, is not art . Ever.<br /><br />That is all I can say, for the present.<br /><br />Peter Wright<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-50627993061334831152017-12-08T22:59:21.519+00:002017-12-08T22:59:21.519+00:00Great work guys. One of my peeves is reading in th...Great work guys. One of my peeves is reading in the press about damage caused by vandals to heritage railways. My suggestion is to equip a vehicle like the GUV as volunteer overnight accommodation, With a large dog and modern telecom(no,not smoke signals!)such a vehicle could be positioned at vulnerable locations. An ounce of prevention is worth a many pounds of cureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-28500303095830390092017-12-08T22:51:55.076+00:002017-12-08T22:51:55.076+00:00David,
I, oddly, disagree, and look forward to t...David,<br /><br />I, oddly, disagree, and look forward to the GUV repainted in GWR non-passenger coaching stock, i.e. dark brown.<br /><br />Sorry to disagree, but there it is.<br /><br /> As to graffiti art, some of which is truly excellent, (which I have seen on trains in the New York metro,) there is a time and a place, but the GWSR is neither the time nor the place.<br /><br />There it it is.<br /><br />Bless you.<br /><br />Peter Wright Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-32796974587659595692017-12-08T22:16:44.099+00:002017-12-08T22:16:44.099+00:00I,odly,I can't believe I'm saying this,thi...I,odly,I can't believe I'm saying this,think the graffiti on the Guv is cool. Gives it character.David Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10263191948295629560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-42436742733043988752017-12-08T20:14:10.370+00:002017-12-08T20:14:10.370+00:00"I think this proves that the world has gone ..."I think this proves that the world has gone completely mad."<br /><br />Yes, I couldn't agree more with Michael's comment, but I rather think the world went mad back in the 1960s . . . <br /><br />Peter WrightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-1201722128647785302017-12-08T17:40:35.080+00:002017-12-08T17:40:35.080+00:00Could the C&W department at Winchcombe be pers...Could the C&W department at Winchcombe be persuaded to do a quickish cosmetic paint job (sorry about the graffiti, Mick) , on the GUV, so the long suffering PW team can have a smart (well, smartish) mess coach in which to trundle up and down the line ? No ? well, it was just a thought.<br /><br />Peter WrightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-72198628897295852052017-12-08T11:30:06.501+00:002017-12-08T11:30:06.501+00:00I would imagine they are wearing steel capped boot...I would imagine they are wearing steel capped boots alsoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07601452858095419838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-67428484139803203752017-12-07T23:03:45.612+00:002017-12-07T23:03:45.612+00:00I really like the graffiti on the guv van.... look...I really like the graffiti on the guv van.... looks cool<br />MickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-78906826114729857232017-12-07T19:01:35.625+00:002017-12-07T19:01:35.625+00:00Some very good quality tracklaying in these photos...Some very good quality tracklaying in these photos - impressive stuff. Much better than certain parts of the national network I could mention...<br /><br />By the way, it's actually possible to buy jeans which come ready-splattered in imitation mud. I think this proves that the world has gone completely mad!<br /><br />https://shop.nordstrom.com/s/prps-barracuda-straight-leg-jeans/4457245<br /><br />. Michael Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08386451061160258935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-73417306982043933032017-12-07T13:47:41.621+00:002017-12-07T13:47:41.621+00:00Super progress - well done to you all. Just a com...Super progress - well done to you all. Just a comment about the new containers being 'rock solid'. I am sure they will withstand anything likely to be encountered on the GWSR - but in the Falklands one of my men sheltering behind such a container as a Chinook came in to land was killed when the rotor down-wash blew it over on top of him.John Dyernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-42129854735824270602017-12-07T11:54:55.267+00:002017-12-07T11:54:55.267+00:00Looking at the photograph album it is incredible h...Looking at the photograph album it is incredible how much has been achieved in a relatively short time by a volunteer army of dedicated people. I would have loved to have been involved in this wonderful achievement.Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16115053784234954235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-13656590926296720782017-12-07T10:00:15.593+00:002017-12-07T10:00:15.593+00:00'.....And a partridge in a hot oven', is w...'.....And a partridge in a hot oven', is what I would add! Talking of which. When working as a guard at Kidderminster, we were constantly finding dead game birds who met their demise by trying to cross before the train. They never went to waste! Have you encountered similar birds (feathered variety) after trains passage on the tracks (or drawbar of the engine) at all? Could start the GWsR culinary menu book. Paul might help. I'm sure there would be plenty of volunteer tasters!<br />Seriously well done on the epic preparations for the stressing (of the track - not the P Way!). Regards, Paul.St Blazey 1925https://www.blogger.com/profile/16697444840076235191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8914276256646518799.post-26920702336544255652017-12-07T09:11:31.517+00:002017-12-07T09:11:31.517+00:00And the Christmas version of the above goes....
6 ...And the Christmas version of the above goes....<br />6 gangs a clipping<br />5 panels unclipped <br />4 bags of pads<br />3 trips to Winchcombe<br />2 large containers<br />1 Clive a'singing<br />Sorry its the best I can do this morning! Feel free to add your versions from 7 to 12!!<br />anyways well done the team<br />Regards <br />Paul & Marion<br />Paul & Marion Sucksmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15384367780051937185noreply@blogger.com